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Josh Passell's avatar

The late paleontologist Stephen J. Gould used to sing with a chorus here in Boston, but refused to sing Bach’s St. John Passion. The vilification of Jews in that gospel was unbearable. The Lutheranism of Bach’s day would not have seen a problem.

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I take you at your word! But please forgive me if this is not the place and feel free to remove my comment if it is out of place. What little knowledge I have is offered in good faith and I do not wish to suggest that people on any side of this discussion are acting in bad faith.

Regarding comment 1: Christians from the beginning have regarded the Hebrew Scriptures to be all about Jesus so it is no surprise that they are used in public worship; among professed religious, the psalms are prayed seven times a day. The Church (Orthodox, Catholic, Syriac etc.) preserved more of the Hebrew scriptures than the later Rabbinic Jews did which is why there are more books in what is often called the Christian 'Old Testament' and the the Jewish Tanakh. Not surprisingly, the Church were keen to preserve scriptures outside the Torah and major prophets which strongly point to Jesus being the Messiah whereas the Rabbis, again not surprisingly, were less keen to do so. I do believe it is possible for both groups to be acting in good faith. Remember, at the time of the Second Temple (Jesus' time) there was no one single book of the Bible as we know today but collections of many scrolls from the prophets with no fixed canon so to speak.

Regarding comment 2: I would argue that those in the first century were acting in good faith. Many Jewish scholars accept that what some refer to as Christian 'distortions' are, in fact, preservations of different strands of ancient Jewish belief.

Regarding comment 4: Ham? As a main course? It has to be goose, surely? The idea of food being unclean was indeed something discussed from the beginning of the Church. Ultimately, the Church decided to follow Jesus' teaching about what comes out of the heart making a person clean or unclean rather than the food they eat. So a Christian should be able to offer non-kosher food. Of course that is an answer from the Christian paradigm and you may not believe it but I hope you will accept my comments with a patient and generous spirit!

As I say, there are many accessible books on the fascinating subject of Second-Temple Judaism by both Jewish and Christian scholars (Neusner, Boyarin, etc.) and they do it far more justice than I ever could. God bless.

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